tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post114837596200642416..comments2023-09-26T14:16:31.203+05:30Comments on Rideo ergo sum: Why should I care?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148917155193049262006-05-29T21:09:00.000+05:302006-05-29T21:09:00.000+05:30i beleive the entire reservation systemm highlight...i beleive the entire reservation systemm highlights facts about caste just like reservations based on religious minoritis in many elite institutions St.Xaviers as such.<BR/>Wats he case in point is the greatest failures on the part of Indian economy is unemployment+illiteracy=poverty(low income level).<BR/>So reservations will be justified only when based on this issue or category--income level which in turn can be converted to concessions at schools and colleges, hostels for poor students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148550571094022042006-05-25T15:19:00.000+05:302006-05-25T15:19:00.000+05:30@anonymous why not daughter? :)@anonymous why not daughter? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148542386148877842006-05-25T13:03:00.000+05:302006-05-25T13:03:00.000+05:30Might be you did not aspire for a premiere institu...Might be you did not aspire for a premiere institute but by being so indefferent you are killing the chances of ur son joining a premiere institute ........ i hope he does not think like uAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148456131304986352006-05-24T13:05:00.000+05:302006-05-24T13:05:00.000+05:30I knew it could not be stopped as long as people g...I knew it could not be stopped as long as people go on justifying reservations with weird reasons like 'they still need to pass college' and 'what about seats which can be bought?'....all illogical arguements. <BR/><BR/>Here's how:<BR/><BR/><I> they still need to pass college </I><BR/><BR/>Well, I know at least a thousand students who could have easily passed college if they could get admission to engineering and medical, and the reason they could not, was because of these reserved quotas of seats occupied by people who were of much lower merit than the non-reserved class. Morever in my college, an REC, all such reserved quota students struggled to pass...but eventually they did pass, some in 6 years, some with 8 compartmental papers...and because they passed, the IT companies, who came for campus, chose them, as at that time, they were recruiting in bulk. So, that 'push' of a 'reservation' earned them a cushy job, leaving behind billions of meritorious students. That hurts!!!<BR/><BR/><I> people are ok with buying seats </I><BR/><BR/>@kopos, in a way, you are correct. The middle class is ok with things he would have been incapable of doing himself...being financially backward is fine, that's an individual capability, but denied entry into a college, just because he was not born in a certain caste or tribe is rot.<BR/>Also, as tanushree said, these seats are minimal fractions of all the seats, and these are totally at the prerogative of the institution, no one forced it onto these isntitutions.These are there so that the other students of the college pay a little less.<BR/><BR/>In short, reservations are discriminations against non-SC/STs, and I don't see why they should be there in a 60-year old sovereign <B> socialist secular </B> democratic republic.<BR/> <BR/>@Mohit, seconding you, about the grassroot education system...however, to the 'servants' of the people, this seems like too much work and too little votes.Aparnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17465535925292456208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148451299292709492006-05-24T11:44:00.000+05:302006-05-24T11:44:00.000+05:30Now be ready for some sort of a tax surcharge... T...Now be ready for some sort of a tax surcharge... The govt needs 8000 big ones and the tax payers are the obvious source. Sucks big time! And the worst part... all the hogwash about talking to agitating students and stuff. <BR/><BR/>What we really need is a grassroot education system spend the money of providing incentives to parents so that they send their kids to school. Spend the money on providing better school and free education to the needy. The quotas would keep producing babus good for govt jobs only.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148448861971863202006-05-24T11:04:00.000+05:302006-05-24T11:04:00.000+05:30The deed's been done.http://timesofindia.indiatime...The deed's been done.<BR/>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1549349.cms<BR/>What now?Tanushreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13110754108846785045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148446488514325892006-05-24T10:24:00.000+05:302006-05-24T10:24:00.000+05:30@tanushreecorrection, nri + management quota comes...@tanushree<BR/>correction, nri + management quota comes to 10-12 in a class of 60. again, i dont think its because of the threat but because they can afford to pay for it. simple.<BR/><BR/>as i said earlier, students will first have to pass the college to join a company aint it? and if they do pass, that means they have it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148387733494969232006-05-23T18:05:00.000+05:302006-05-23T18:05:00.000+05:30Quota quota quota........How does it matter, we wi...Quota quota quota........<BR/>How does it matter, we will keep posting on blogs and that bast****, son of a b**** Arjun will enforce it not matter what as being a servent he has to do as instructed by parliament.<BR/>Now tanu i don't agree with you point that companies will have doubts regarding the workforce, for two reasons..<BR/>i. There are reservations in place and not all the working in mnc's are from IIT's.<BR/>ii. The quality of work that comes down to india is as it is bull shit, i have see ppl running away from the so called big company, because they feel they are over qualified for the work they are doing.<BR/><BR/>But i agree with the point that reservations are not solving the problem that they are meant to solve, cause 50% of reserved seats are yet not occupied.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148386891179737502006-05-23T17:51:00.000+05:302006-05-23T17:51:00.000+05:30There is no "justification" for management seats. ...There is no "justification" for management seats. In my experience, most ppl who "bought" those seats were pretty dumb and were not able to keep up with the rest of the class.<BR/><BR/>I guess ppl dont make a hue and cry about it because it is usually 1-3 seats in a class of 60 or so, and not percieved a serious "threat".Tanushreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13110754108846785045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148386084645212622006-05-23T17:38:00.000+05:302006-05-23T17:38:00.000+05:30@KoPoS 33% reservation where? Which educational in...@KoPoS <BR/><BR/>33% reservation where? Which educational institute that you have studied at (above school level) had anything close to this percentage of women in the class? During MBA, I was in a class of 60 with 12 girls. Of course, my graduation was in a girls college so that does not count.<BR/><BR/>The 33% reservation is in the legislative assembles and parliament, where it is necessary to have adequate representation from each and every group or community (majority and minority both) to be able to make fair laws.Tanushreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13110754108846785045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148381954838012972006-05-23T16:29:00.000+05:302006-05-23T16:29:00.000+05:30I am very confused about the vote issue here...or ...I am very confused about the vote issue here...or maybe I am applying too much logic to the situation, so can someone explain this:<BR/>If the politicians are introducing reservations to gain votes, and they think they will win by these votes, then does that mean that the number of 'reservation class' votes are more than 'non-reserved class' votes? If so, then the 'reservation class' is a 'majority' rather than a 'minority' , right? So, why are we bringing reservations for them?<BR/>Or maybe, the votes are more because the 'non-reservation-classes' don't vote much? In which case, we need to definitely go to the polling booths during election, all of us, who are now raising this voice against reservation....Aparnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17465535925292456208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148379608592429152006-05-23T15:50:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:50:00.000+05:30I guess that would make a difference when the opti...I guess that would make a difference when the options to vote would be discernible.In the current context when you have to choose the best amongst the worst who in turn changes to the worst by the time next election comes how are we going to choose the best ??<BR/><BR/>After thinking ths over again ,I feel it is not RDB but i feel it is YUVA that is going to make a difference :):)Maven's Atelierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15488892463641473073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148378796160645852006-05-23T15:36:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:36:00.000+05:30If the 18-40 yr old working class people (read me ...If the 18-40 yr old working class people (read me and you) go out to vote, it'll be a revolution indead!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148378329163087172006-05-23T15:28:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:28:00.000+05:30Ironically only revolutions lead to change :)I am ...Ironically only revolutions lead to change :)<BR/><BR/>I am not a pessimistic but the only way these ppl can be kicked out of power is by total elimination.Any voice that revolts against them will be crushed under the sheer power that these ppl possessMaven's Atelierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15488892463641473073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148377709227550762006-05-23T15:18:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:18:00.000+05:30----My solution would be to do a Rang De Basanti t...----My solution would be to do a Rang De Basanti to the politicians like Arjun Singh.-----<BR/><BR/>To make way for some other idiot... RDB is not the solution. Going out to voke and select someone desrving (I wish!) might be a solution but not RDBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148377633288337882006-05-23T15:17:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:17:00.000+05:30I would also like to put forth an other point ..we...I would also like to put forth an other point ..we will also have to ask ourselves as to whether it is really the reservation or the insecurity that is making us talk this way.Maven's Atelierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15488892463641473073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148377551053134382006-05-23T15:15:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:15:00.000+05:30infrastructure ..yes is an issue ,but then the sea...infrastructure ..yes is an issue ,but then the seats would have to be increased some day or the other.<BR/>but pondering over the issue ,it does make me feel insecure .My solution would be to do a Rang De Basanti to the politicians like Arjun Singh.Maven's Atelierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15488892463641473073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148377494193389782006-05-23T15:14:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:14:00.000+05:30Not just education....these guys are pushing for r...Not just education....these guys are pushing for reservations in jobs.. I don't think these guys even care about econmy or employment... as long as they get their votes.<BR/><BR/>Well said.. A very valid point and some serious food for thought<BR/><BR/>For Maven's Atelier : it does matter when the same tachers are supposed to teach 50% more students and the facilities get strained. The overall level of the class goes down too. Its not the same as not having reservation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148377235824297072006-05-23T15:10:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:10:00.000+05:30To Maven's atelier:what if the seats got increased...To Maven's atelier:<BR/><I>what if the seats got increased </I><BR/>You have recently got out of college right? Think about your own college and what the state of the infrastructure, the teachers, and the standards will be if the number of students are increased by 50%?Tanushreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13110754108846785045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148377064329892872006-05-23T15:07:00.000+05:302006-05-23T15:07:00.000+05:30Beg to differ in a slight way ...Agreed that the r...Beg to differ in a slight way ...<BR/><BR/>Agreed that the reservation system as such is a taboo but then what if the seats got increased and the OBC's do get a reservation ,even in that context the FC's would have the same seats as earlier ,so does it really matter ? because I feel that come what may our morbid politicians will pass this bill.<BR/><BR/>Well as far as the global perspective is concerned my cent points with your opinion.Maven's Atelierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15488892463641473073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22555281.post-1148376413227965442006-05-23T14:56:00.000+05:302006-05-23T14:56:00.000+05:30Well put...very precise.I can only hope that all t...Well put...very precise.<BR/>I can only hope that all these reactions cause some action where it matters....but somehow I have this sinking feeling that it won't....and like last time, the bill will get passed this time too....Aparnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17465535925292456208noreply@blogger.com